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 		<title>Comment on Is Cooking For Your Family &#8220;Retrograde June Cleaver Nonsense?&#8221; by: Nancy</title>
		<link>http://www.tigersandstrawberries.com/2007/07/16/is-cooking-for-your-family-retrograde-june-cleaver-nonsense/#comment-50450</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I've recently acquired some food allergies and as a result need to make all my food at home from scratch.  For the most part I enjoy it, and really don't find it a hardship.  However, when I've told most of my friends that I do all my own cooking (feminist and non-feminist alike) they react as I am from another planet.  

I would also bet that not cooking and relying on processed foods has a lot to do with the obesity epidemic in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve recently acquired some food allergies and as a result need to make all my food at home from scratch.  For the most part I enjoy it, and really don&#8217;t find it a hardship.  However, when I&#8217;ve told most of my friends that I do all my own cooking (feminist and non-feminist alike) they react as I am from another planet.  </p>
	<p>I would also bet that not cooking and relying on processed foods has a lot to do with the obesity epidemic in this country.
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 		<title>Comment on Is Cooking For Your Family &#8220;Retrograde June Cleaver Nonsense?&#8221; by: shereen</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>A few thoughts:  

The idea that &quot;women's studies&quot; can really be taught in classrooms is inane.

Ninety percent of feminists I've met fall into one of a few categories:  1)  Lesbians  2)  Recent divorcees  3) Young women who believe they were abused by their father or another male figure  4)  Divorcees who won't tell you that they bugged the crap out of their husbands and never put out, but still enjoy the settlement  5)  Cat-women who could never, in a million years, ever get married.

These crazed and angry women dominate the &quot;feminist&quot; landscape, to the movement's very detriment.

Contrast some of the comments here against most of the comments on allrecipes.com.  Seriously, take a look.  See how many women just say, &quot;I loved it, but I won't be making it again, because DH hated it.&quot;  Or, &quot;the kids didn't like it, but DH loved it, so I was happy.&quot;

Yeck.

Sounds like those stupid WalMart commercials where some fat Southern girl is mis-pronouncing how she'd like to make her husband, &quot;a real mil.&quot;

Figure it out, okay?  Cooking for your kids, ok.  Slave-pleasing your hubby and vetoing your own interests because he didn't like it?  Gimme a break.

The &quot;feminist&quot; movement here better start hanging together if you want to make some real progress.  But then again, you haven't yet, and you probably won't.  After all, look at you all still bitching at eachother.

Individual brains and souls are good, people.  Lesbians, divorcees, and &quot;abused&quot; girls included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A few thoughts:  </p>
	<p>The idea that &#8220;women&#8217;s studies&#8221; can really be taught in classrooms is inane.</p>
	<p>Ninety percent of feminists I&#8217;ve met fall into one of a few categories:  1)  Lesbians  2)  Recent divorcees  3) Young women who believe they were abused by their father or another male figure  4)  Divorcees who won&#8217;t tell you that they bugged the crap out of their husbands and never put out, but still enjoy the settlement  5)  Cat-women who could never, in a million years, ever get married.</p>
	<p>These crazed and angry women dominate the &#8220;feminist&#8221; landscape, to the movement&#8217;s very detriment.</p>
	<p>Contrast some of the comments here against most of the comments on allrecipes.com.  Seriously, take a look.  See how many women just say, &#8220;I loved it, but I won&#8217;t be making it again, because DH hated it.&#8221;  Or, &#8220;the kids didn&#8217;t like it, but DH loved it, so I was happy.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Yeck.</p>
	<p>Sounds like those stupid WalMart commercials where some fat Southern girl is mis-pronouncing how she&#8217;d like to make her husband, &#8220;a real mil.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Figure it out, okay?  Cooking for your kids, ok.  Slave-pleasing your hubby and vetoing your own interests because he didn&#8217;t like it?  Gimme a break.</p>
	<p>The &#8220;feminist&#8221; movement here better start hanging together if you want to make some real progress.  But then again, you haven&#8217;t yet, and you probably won&#8217;t.  After all, look at you all still bitching at eachother.</p>
	<p>Individual brains and souls are good, people.  Lesbians, divorcees, and &#8220;abused&#8221; girls included.
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Barbara,
Thank you for the wonderful, thought provoking article/blog.

Semper Fidelis,
Sgt Spring &quot;Betty Crocker&quot; Keyzers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Barbara,<br />
Thank you for the wonderful, thought provoking article/blog.</p>
	<p>Semper Fidelis,<br />
Sgt Spring &#8220;Betty Crocker&#8221; Keyzers
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 		<title>Comment on Is Cooking For Your Family &#8220;Retrograde June Cleaver Nonsense?&#8221; by: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://www.tigersandstrawberries.com/2007/07/16/is-cooking-for-your-family-retrograde-june-cleaver-nonsense/#comment-39828</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 05:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sage, thank you very much for posting your comments. I find it interesting to know that only the men were expected to cook in traditional Hawaiian society. I didn't know that (or if I did, it was stuck way back in a dusty corner of my rather overstuffed memory banks, and I hadn't taken it out and looked at it in a while...) and I always love learning new facts about food, cookery and culture from yet another part of the world. 

I do agree with your culture on this, however: cooking is a deeply spiritual act of love and nurturing. It is a very intimate thing, cooking for others: when we cook, part of our own essence, our own energy, goes into the food we make. It is the intangible ingredient, and I have found that when we cook with love, our food has a quality that is indefinable, but yet quite present, and the positive energy of it has a positive effect on others. I believe that food which is made with willful, intentional love, and with spiritual awareness and care from high quality fresh ingredients is healthier for us to eat, and nurtures not only the body, but the spirit as well. 

As for feminism--I was heartened to hear what you had to say about it. Although I think it is a shame that feminist has become a dirty word--thanks in large part to pundits like Rush Limbaugh and his ilk, I am pleased to hear a young woman embracing the -essence- of the word, if not the word itself. 

I care more about what feminism can do, and has done and will do than what it is called. And frankly, I am happy that there are young women growing up expecting more than the young women of my generation, my mother's generation, and my grandmothers' generation. That, to me, is a great sign of progress. 

Social change moves slowly. There are of course, sudden bursts of movement at certain times, but mostly, the wheels of change grind along at a snail's pace. I would say that on the whole, the changes I have seen in my lifetime have been going forward, and while they are slower than I would like, the pace is also a realistic one from a long-range anthropological or sociological perspective.

Thanks again for posting your insights. They are valuable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sage, thank you very much for posting your comments. I find it interesting to know that only the men were expected to cook in traditional Hawaiian society. I didn&#8217;t know that (or if I did, it was stuck way back in a dusty corner of my rather overstuffed memory banks, and I hadn&#8217;t taken it out and looked at it in a while&#8230;) and I always love learning new facts about food, cookery and culture from yet another part of the world. </p>
	<p>I do agree with your culture on this, however: cooking is a deeply spiritual act of love and nurturing. It is a very intimate thing, cooking for others: when we cook, part of our own essence, our own energy, goes into the food we make. It is the intangible ingredient, and I have found that when we cook with love, our food has a quality that is indefinable, but yet quite present, and the positive energy of it has a positive effect on others. I believe that food which is made with willful, intentional love, and with spiritual awareness and care from high quality fresh ingredients is healthier for us to eat, and nurtures not only the body, but the spirit as well. </p>
	<p>As for feminism&#8211;I was heartened to hear what you had to say about it. Although I think it is a shame that feminist has become a dirty word&#8211;thanks in large part to pundits like Rush Limbaugh and his ilk, I am pleased to hear a young woman embracing the -essence- of the word, if not the word itself. </p>
	<p>I care more about what feminism can do, and has done and will do than what it is called. And frankly, I am happy that there are young women growing up expecting more than the young women of my generation, my mother&#8217;s generation, and my grandmothers&#8217; generation. That, to me, is a great sign of progress. </p>
	<p>Social change moves slowly. There are of course, sudden bursts of movement at certain times, but mostly, the wheels of change grind along at a snail&#8217;s pace. I would say that on the whole, the changes I have seen in my lifetime have been going forward, and while they are slower than I would like, the pace is also a realistic one from a long-range anthropological or sociological perspective.</p>
	<p>Thanks again for posting your insights. They are valuable.
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 		<title>Comment on Is Cooking For Your Family &#8220;Retrograde June Cleaver Nonsense?&#8221; by: Sage</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ha! I forgot to mention - in the Hawaiian culture I've been raised with, the art of cooking is very spiritual. When you feed someone you are giving them a deep gift, something more than a mere trinket - you're giving them life sustaining material! Of course, you can send subtle messages by serving really bland, unappealing meals that way too... but basically cooking for the family, someone in specific, or for yourself is all looked at in my house as acts of love. The cook, whoever they may be (usually myself or my Dad), is viewed as a generous nurturer. 

And, somehow, it occurs to me that classifying cooking as a &quot;woman&quot; or &quot;man&quot; thing defeats the whole purpose of equality... There appear to be a lot of older women here with good insight into their views of what &quot;feminism&quot; is. I just graduated from high school, so I thought I might add my two cents of how it was seen among the other girls my age. Basically, feminist has become a &quot;dirty&quot; word that you use to insult someone - somewhat along the lines of being &quot;butch&quot;. Of course this has nothing to do with the actual principles behind the word... but I have to say, I'd prefer not to be associated with the word simply because, as Jimmy said, it has become a subject so large, self-contradictory, and confusing that I have no clue what it is supposed to stand for anymore, except that everyone involved in it seems abnormally uptight and angry. I ignore it all together; but, in the end, isn't that what it is supposed to be? I already expect the same pay as men doing my job and I know I can take legal action if I'm not getting it. I don't feel like I'm growing up in a male-oriented society or view any of the actions of taking care of the household as male or female, just things that need done. Isn't the &quot;fight&quot; over when equality is so day-to-day that the fight over it becomes almost a non-issue? Not to say everything is peachy - but maybe its a better thing that a lot of the women of my generation are moving forward with a &quot;no duh&quot; expectation of entitlement to &quot;equality&quot; and without all the anger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ha! I forgot to mention - in the Hawaiian culture I&#8217;ve been raised with, the art of cooking is very spiritual. When you feed someone you are giving them a deep gift, something more than a mere trinket - you&#8217;re giving them life sustaining material! Of course, you can send subtle messages by serving really bland, unappealing meals that way too&#8230; but basically cooking for the family, someone in specific, or for yourself is all looked at in my house as acts of love. The cook, whoever they may be (usually myself or my Dad), is viewed as a generous nurturer. </p>
	<p>And, somehow, it occurs to me that classifying cooking as a &#8220;woman&#8221; or &#8220;man&#8221; thing defeats the whole purpose of equality&#8230; There appear to be a lot of older women here with good insight into their views of what &#8220;feminism&#8221; is. I just graduated from high school, so I thought I might add my two cents of how it was seen among the other girls my age. Basically, feminist has become a &#8220;dirty&#8221; word that you use to insult someone - somewhat along the lines of being &#8220;butch&#8221;. Of course this has nothing to do with the actual principles behind the word&#8230; but I have to say, I&#8217;d prefer not to be associated with the word simply because, as Jimmy said, it has become a subject so large, self-contradictory, and confusing that I have no clue what it is supposed to stand for anymore, except that everyone involved in it seems abnormally uptight and angry. I ignore it all together; but, in the end, isn&#8217;t that what it is supposed to be? I already expect the same pay as men doing my job and I know I can take legal action if I&#8217;m not getting it. I don&#8217;t feel like I&#8217;m growing up in a male-oriented society or view any of the actions of taking care of the household as male or female, just things that need done. Isn&#8217;t the &#8220;fight&#8221; over when equality is so day-to-day that the fight over it becomes almost a non-issue? Not to say everything is peachy - but maybe its a better thing that a lot of the women of my generation are moving forward with a &#8220;no duh&#8221; expectation of entitlement to &#8220;equality&#8221; and without all the anger.
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