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 		<title>Comment on Largest Beef Recall in US History a Natural Consequence of Industrial Agricultural Practices by: victoria</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh ! Am not talking about eating animals in zoos (I don't get that?) or is cow equal to tiger...Anyway animal is an animal, no matter whether it is a cow or a tiger. All I feel is we ,people donot have any rights to kill them to eat(even if it is not a torture way of killing ). Who gave us the right to kill the cow? All they offer is Milk and good cheese and their skin for people to enjoy. They deserve a natural way of dying just like our elders die. Animals need peace in death too.. Okay I got the point that my writting in a blog or my little voice for animals would never make billions of people stop eating meat.The big change should come from inside of their minds, and I owuld be very very happy if atleast one person reading this page would consider stop eating meat.Thanks Barbara for your courtesy in letting me use your web page to tell what I feel about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh ! Am not talking about eating animals in zoos (I don&#8217;t get that?) or is cow equal to tiger&#8230;Anyway animal is an animal, no matter whether it is a cow or a tiger. All I feel is we ,people donot have any rights to kill them to eat(even if it is not a torture way of killing ). Who gave us the right to kill the cow? All they offer is Milk and good cheese and their skin for people to enjoy. They deserve a natural way of dying just like our elders die. Animals need peace in death too.. Okay I got the point that my writting in a blog or my little voice for animals would never make billions of people stop eating meat.The big change should come from inside of their minds, and I owuld be very very happy if atleast one person reading this page would consider stop eating meat.Thanks Barbara for your courtesy in letting me use your web page to tell what I feel about this.
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 		<title>Comment on Largest Beef Recall in US History a Natural Consequence of Industrial Agricultural Practices by: Barbara</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Victoria, no one is talking about eating animals in zoos. What does that have to do with eating domesticated animals--animals which have been domesticated for thousands of years, which we eat? A tiger is not a cow.

I have to say, however, while I agree with you that the animals in zoos should be allowed to live free in the wild, with the way that people from around the world are destroying habitat, the only place safe for tigers may be zoos. (BTW--most zoo animals were born in captivity, and lots of zoos have breeding programs where they breed animals in captivity and release them into the wild. People don't eat these animals.)

And with global warming and polar ice melting, the only place for polar bears to be safe may well be zoos. In fact, zoos may save these species from extinction.

The thought of a world without tigers and polar bears makes me want to weep--but there you are.

Every time you see the evil of humanity--such as in the video that fomented this beef recall, you see other humans doing their best to save animals--from other humans, from extinction, from global warming.

And yes, I agree with Karyn. There are very few vegans in India. There are plenty of vegetarians, but dairy products are widely used in Indian cuisine, both in the north and the south. 

For indigenous vegan cuisines, you need to look to the Buddhists in China and Japan. The foods of the monasteries in those countries is vegan, in large part, because dairy foods were seldom seen in these countries. (There are exceptions. Some tribespeople in China eat dairy products, and in Mongolia and Tibet, which are now claimed by China, there is a tradition of using yak's milk and butter in their food.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Victoria, no one is talking about eating animals in zoos. What does that have to do with eating domesticated animals&#8211;animals which have been domesticated for thousands of years, which we eat? A tiger is not a cow.</p>
	<p>I have to say, however, while I agree with you that the animals in zoos should be allowed to live free in the wild, with the way that people from around the world are destroying habitat, the only place safe for tigers may be zoos. (BTW&#8211;most zoo animals were born in captivity, and lots of zoos have breeding programs where they breed animals in captivity and release them into the wild. People don&#8217;t eat these animals.)</p>
	<p>And with global warming and polar ice melting, the only place for polar bears to be safe may well be zoos. In fact, zoos may save these species from extinction.</p>
	<p>The thought of a world without tigers and polar bears makes me want to weep&#8211;but there you are.</p>
	<p>Every time you see the evil of humanity&#8211;such as in the video that fomented this beef recall, you see other humans doing their best to save animals&#8211;from other humans, from extinction, from global warming.</p>
	<p>And yes, I agree with Karyn. There are very few vegans in India. There are plenty of vegetarians, but dairy products are widely used in Indian cuisine, both in the north and the south. </p>
	<p>For indigenous vegan cuisines, you need to look to the Buddhists in China and Japan. The foods of the monasteries in those countries is vegan, in large part, because dairy foods were seldom seen in these countries. (There are exceptions. Some tribespeople in China eat dairy products, and in Mongolia and Tibet, which are now claimed by China, there is a tradition of using yak&#8217;s milk and butter in their food.)
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 		<title>Comment on Largest Beef Recall in US History a Natural Consequence of Industrial Agricultural Practices by: Karyn</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Victoria - I do agree that eating vegetarian or vegan leaves a lot of delicious, satisfying possibilities - we do not need to eat animal products. However, India is known for vegetarian, nt vegan, cuisine, though almost every culture has a few signature dishes that are vegetarian, if not vegan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Victoria - I do agree that eating vegetarian or vegan leaves a lot of delicious, satisfying possibilities - we do not need to eat animal products. However, India is known for vegetarian, nt vegan, cuisine, though almost every culture has a few signature dishes that are vegetarian, if not vegan.
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 		<title>Comment on Largest Beef Recall in US History a Natural Consequence of Industrial Agricultural Practices by: victoria</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I am not telling that carnivore animals are evils, Barbara.. I mean , these poor animals couldnot defend themselves,thats why we capture them, feed them well with nutritious food ,so that we can kill them later for our food. Tigers are not evils because they donot have sixth and sense and hence no emotions. As we humans, do have sixth sense which we can use to analyse good and bad, we have plenty of other options of food rather than 'choosing' to eat animals.If millions of people in India could be VEGAN, we can also be vegan. Lazy man started eating animals becuase it was easier for him rather than cultivating food crops. If its okay for us to kill animals ,then its okay for animals to kill us, just like the one happened in san francisco zoo,where a tiger escaped a grotto and killed a man.

Please people ,donot enjoy poor animals which are in captivation at Zoos. They are born free and are supposed to live free.

Animals have equal rights just as we do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am not telling that carnivore animals are evils, Barbara.. I mean , these poor animals couldnot defend themselves,thats why we capture them, feed them well with nutritious food ,so that we can kill them later for our food. Tigers are not evils because they donot have sixth and sense and hence no emotions. As we humans, do have sixth sense which we can use to analyse good and bad, we have plenty of other options of food rather than &#8216;choosing&#8217; to eat animals.If millions of people in India could be VEGAN, we can also be vegan. Lazy man started eating animals becuase it was easier for him rather than cultivating food crops. If its okay for us to kill animals ,then its okay for animals to kill us, just like the one happened in san francisco zoo,where a tiger escaped a grotto and killed a man.</p>
	<p>Please people ,donot enjoy poor animals which are in captivation at Zoos. They are born free and are supposed to live free.</p>
	<p>Animals have equal rights just as we do.
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 		<title>Comment on Largest Beef Recall in US History a Natural Consequence of Industrial Agricultural Practices by: Karyn</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Barbara - I have had people tell me that predatory animals are not moral, and should be killed if they are removed from the wild and no longer have an ecological niche to fill.

I'm not convinced that I object to the idea of animal consumption, though it eating chicken, pork, or beef is not something I'm interested in at this point.

I stopped eating those animals when I learned how evil factory farming is - I couldn't afford grassfed organic meat, and had never enjoyed meat enough to justify spending extra on organic or spending less on supermarket meat. I've always been happy with my decision, but I know it's not for everybody.

That being said, I think if you do choose to eat meat, you should eat meat from an animal that has not spent its life suffering. People should eat less meat and should spend more for their burgers. 

The problem is the scale of meat production and people's belief in their &quot;right&quot; to cheap meat three times a day, which is unhealthy for everybody involved.

I have seen dairy cows treated properly and with respect (and otherwise) and there's a huge difference in their health, happiness, and quality of life.

My problem is this: how do I know which dairies do respect the animals that provide them their living? 

A vegan, actually, gave me this site, which ranks large scale organic dairies. I only wish I could find something similar about goat and sheep farms, since I prefer their milk products:

http://cornucopia.org/dairysurvey/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Barbara - I have had people tell me that predatory animals are not moral, and should be killed if they are removed from the wild and no longer have an ecological niche to fill.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m not convinced that I object to the idea of animal consumption, though it eating chicken, pork, or beef is not something I&#8217;m interested in at this point.</p>
	<p>I stopped eating those animals when I learned how evil factory farming is - I couldn&#8217;t afford grassfed organic meat, and had never enjoyed meat enough to justify spending extra on organic or spending less on supermarket meat. I&#8217;ve always been happy with my decision, but I know it&#8217;s not for everybody.</p>
	<p>That being said, I think if you do choose to eat meat, you should eat meat from an animal that has not spent its life suffering. People should eat less meat and should spend more for their burgers. </p>
	<p>The problem is the scale of meat production and people&#8217;s belief in their &#8220;right&#8221; to cheap meat three times a day, which is unhealthy for everybody involved.</p>
	<p>I have seen dairy cows treated properly and with respect (and otherwise) and there&#8217;s a huge difference in their health, happiness, and quality of life.</p>
	<p>My problem is this: how do I know which dairies do respect the animals that provide them their living? </p>
	<p>A vegan, actually, gave me this site, which ranks large scale organic dairies. I only wish I could find something similar about goat and sheep farms, since I prefer their milk products:</p>
	<p><a href='http://cornucopia.org/dairysurvey/index.html' rel='nofollow'>http://cornucopia.org/dairysurvey/index.html</a>
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